She’s so deliciously low. So horribly dirty

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there is an interesting have your say column on the bbc site at the moment concerning notions of class identity in britain. the lead in to the thread asks “What determines the class you belong to? ” and the one thing that is imediatley obvious from the responses is that no-one is realy sure anymore. not that this is a bad thing but for a country often identified as having a very rigid class system (and indeed, still having a monarchy) it is an interesting development to find ourselves in a time where it is a more fluid thing. of course we shouldn’t be corncerned by such a hidiously antiquated idea as ‘class’ at all but there is no denying we are. will young is posh. posh is not. we can’t get enough of it…
many different answers are given such as birthright, money and job title – but – i would suggest a general attitude/accent as being the marker of class. i feel that in most walks of life (the house of lords being a notable exception!) your background is only as important as you choose to make it. thus the manics were self-identified as working class despite being intelligent and decent earners. money certainly raises your upwards-mobility (a whole host of celebrity ‘chavs’ such as the gallaghers and charlotte church can be used as an example of this) but will not automaticaly make people view you as ‘upper’ class. neil hamilton will still be thought of as upper class despite having been declared bankrupt. as for job title i know several thirty somethings (myself icluded) in low-pay/minimum wage jobs that would be classed as loosely middle class. and most of our ‘working class’ are unemployed!

so as far as i can tell it still mostly comes down to the same old standards offered from eliza doolitle to trading places : deportment, presentation & pronunciation…

allthough one commenter on the bbc site did offer this rather amusing axiom: (being middle class is) a bowl of grapes on the side-board when nobody in the house is ill

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0 thoughts on “She’s so deliciously low. So horribly dirty

  1. I think accent plays a big part in how a person is perceived here also. In this country if you say “plarnt” instead of “plaant” you are a member of the intelligentsia or you are probably from an upper class family (or just from Adelaide). Whilst we don’t have the same class system as the UK, it was similar but has evolved to be uniquely Aussie, there are class distinctions. Based on what? A combination of economics, accent, attitude, race and the luck of who you were born to. However class is not a barrier to success here, like maybe race still is.

    Warning: Extreme generalisation and snobbery following:
    Being the middle class snobs that we are, we have been using a term lately to describe the people once of a lower socio-economic background who now find themselves well-to-do: “Cashed Up Bogans” or CUBs. In this city, with the massive gains some have made with real estate over the past 5 years, there is an epidemic of CUBs. You can pour the money into the bogan but they are never going to have any class!

    (Sorry too many coffees this morning!)

  2. I think this post may have set the record for most links I had to click to understand what you’re talking about. 🙂

    Class is a big issue here in the states. Mostly it’s based on money, but unfortunately it’s also a bit based on race. I’m part of the great faceless middle class.

  3. what can i say – ‘our charl’ is a classy chick!

    i wouldn’t say that race is a big factor here, allthough perhaps i could be wrong. there is a very strong asian community in scotland but i don’t think they are associated with a specific class. there is the whole ‘cornershop’ thing but that’s not really associate with being ‘common’ – more just hard working/ respectable working class, though i’m a liberal kind of gal so perhaps that’s not totally true. in edinburgh there is an increasingly large polish community too but there are also so many foreign students and so on that the idea of being an ‘immigrant’ seems a moot point. when we were giving our statements to the police (us and the the three witnesses) the places of birth were: germany, scotland, ireland, ireland and poland – it seemed a pretty fair cross-section! none of us were actually from edinburgh….

    race has become more of a ‘political’ issue here recently because of debate concerning legal and illegal immigration into this country but funnily enough it seems to be predominantly the ‘chav’ class of people who are extremely anti immigration (comming here taking our jobs (read : dole money) etc… but since most of the immigration, at least to scotland is (as far as i can tell) caucasion it is not such an easily identifiable skin colour thing as say the asian community in the 70’s was. once again i think it would depend on the factors allready mentioned (presentation, accent etc….) i know that in england there are more black ‘ghetto’ areas in the cities but here the really shitty schemes are all predominantly white.

    hmm went off on a bit of a tangent there…

    p.s sorry about the incomprehensible link-heavy nature of the post!

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